Tyner Tweet Points Out Lack Of Understanding Of Recruiting Process

October 17, 2012 in Codes, Other Football Related Topics, Rules by Football NW

Is Thomas Tyner Running Away From Oregon? Football And Marriage

by Dirk Knudsen | Posted on Wednesday, October 17th, 2012

It started last night with a simple Twitter Post by D4SH.  That is the Twitter Handle on one Thomas Tyner of Aloha High School.  And it happened during the debate and it touched off more of a response then the Candy Crowley’s assist to President Obama over Libya.

The phenom Running Back made one Tweet and the Prep Football world spun out of control.

There it is.  Earth Shattering isn’t it?

So much so that this kid blew up the evening news channels with TV Sports Anchors saying that he was decommitting from the Ducks.  Really?

Those same reporters are all saying he is heading out to UCLA and that he could come back to Oregon and sign his letter of intent the next few weeks to Oregon.

Calm down Duck Nation.  Really?

Thomas is not bound to anyone.  Understand that folks.  And any News anchor saying that he can sign, commit, or de-commit to anyone is crazy.  They simple do not know what they are talking about.

The Ducks and dozens of other schools have sent Thomas letters offering scholarships.  They can not do that until after August- September of the kids Senior Year; not before.

Once the kid has these letters he can do anything he wants with it.  He can paper his wall with them, burn them, or snap a photo and post them to his Facebook Wall.  He can mail them to Grandpa Joe, make a paper airplane out of them, and auction them off on E-Bay.

There is only one thing he can not do with Them.   And that would be to sign.

The National Letter Of Intent Office  makes it clear on the front page of their website.

February 6th, 2013.  That is the first time he can become a Duck.  Or a Bruin.  Or a Longhorn.

Here is a great Summary of the NLI Process from our own David Fox of Rivals.com.

Understand this is the world we live in us analyst types.  And this is all becoming way to ridiculous.  Much of this is an extension of the fact that College Coaches are allowed to verbally offer kids as young as Freshmen.  In fact 7th and 8th graders were being offered by the biggest colleges in the Land until the NCAA clamped down on that recently.

You want to know why High School football is being commercialized and ruined by Street Agents?  That is one of the main reason right there.  The grim reality is that the “Verbal Offer Process” is out of control.

It is like a bunch of guys offering to marry the hottest girls in High School when they turn 18.  And that is not a slam on Coaches or schools because to succeed they have to make the proposals.

The Verbal offer process starts the process of expressing interest from a College to a Kid.  Ok fair enough.

But because football does not have an early signing period like High School Basketball does this problem of pressuring the kids, even if not intended, is a very real one.

Tyner is a perfect example.

If he could have signed an early letter binding him to Oregon maybe he would have.  And it would sure help kids and schools both clarify the landscape.

Here is a great article about why we need and early signing period.

 

Florida Atlantic coach Carl Pelini said if those who are truly serious about their commitment could sign early, than it would “really clarify the landscape,” and allow for more kids to get recruited.

“You will know this kid is unavailable, let’s move on and recruit other kids,” Pelini said.

ACC Commissioner John Swofford said last week his coaches support an early signing period but the proposal has not had strong support nationally.

Catch the Full story here: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sports/college-football/does-college-football-need-an-early-signing-period/nL34L/

So understand this.  Verbal offers by a college mean very little until they send that official letter in August or September.

And even the written scolarship letter is not that big of a deal because the College can rescind it at anytime.  Know that.

Back to Tyner.

He made a verbal pledge as a Junior to play for the University of Oregon.

He does not have any way to commit to them under the rules we have.  But for anyone to suggest he is decommitting is just wrong.  This I confirmed first hand.

All he did was let folks know he is looking around a little.  Thomas is no dummy.  This is a smart kid who actually thinks everything through.  I have it on the record that he spoke with the Coaches before that Tweet went out.  So this Tweet he did was not a surprise and did not shock or surprise the staff.  Duck Nation is going ballistic for no reason.

Calm down you green and yellow Army.

And Thomas needs to look around.  Every kid needs to.

The colleges who have sent letters in can retract them at anytime.  Even the written letter is not binding.  Nothing in fact is binding until the Athlete sends the FAX or mails in his signed Letter of Intent (Feb 6th, 2013 or after) and then it has to be acknowledged by the school and the Conference office.

And Tyner, as well as I know he and the family, has been subjected to intense pressures and by not putting himself out there as a recruit has defelected most of them.  But the pressure is there and is very real.

Imagine having the Nations premier programs and Head Coaches blowing up your Facebook, your email, your texts, your snail mail, your Coaches, and parents and friends.  Coming to your school and your home and maybe trying to find out where you like to hang out.

You have all seen the Blind Side right?  Those guys were camped outside of Michael Oher’s home.

Welcome to the reality of a guy like Thomas.

He is free to look around and so are the Ducks.  One Tweet should not be the end of the world.  He can not become a Duck until Next February.  So everyone just needs to relax.

But guys and gals get your facts right.

  • Thomas Tyner did not de-commit from Oregon.
  • Thomas Tyner nor any athlete can not commit to any school until February 6th, 2013.
  • Thomas Tyner and Oregon- just like any athlete and school- can do anything they want until 2-6-13.  All they have done so far is build a realtionship verbally.  He can go anywhere he wants for a visit unfettered.  They can speak to any top recruit they want unfettered.
  • A Verbal Offer and a Verbal Committment are just that.  Are they meaningless?  Heck no.  They help both sides understand the level of interest.  It is a necessary part of the process.
  • Think of it as an engagement.  Are we bound when we get engaged?  Heck no.  It is part of our culture to break those off.  That is the whole purpose rigth?  We step up our committment to each other and start down the path to the wedding day.
  • The “We are offering you a Scholarship” letters which can be sent to a High School Senior after August from schools like Oregon are nice.  But they are not binding on either side.  Think of those letters as a proposal for Marriage.  An official request to become engaged.  Now the Wedding is on and everyone is fitted for their dressed and suits and the Hall is all reserved.  The cake is all but in the Oven.
  • On about 2-1-2012 the College will send an official Fed-EX/UPS Packet to the Athlete.  In that packet will be a Letter of Intent and associated forms.  Now we are in the aisle waiting for the Bride and the pews are full of our closest friends and on lookers.
  • Between February 7th and Apri 1st of 2013 the High School Athlete in receipt of this Letter can sign it and send it in.  Provided it and all necessary documentation is completed the Athlete and School are bound.  The Marriage is complete.

Here is a whole lot more you need to know on the National Letter of Intent Process.  Read Up guys and gals.  You sports anchors too!

National Letter Of Intent Informational Flyer and Diagram

 


 

“The only thing my mind is on right now is today’s practice and how I can help prepare my team for Friday.”  D4SH – @thomas_tyner


 

There is the guy we know.

Jesuit is up Friday.  This is going to be a Game of Epic proportions and both teams are playing for the Metro League Title.  So this recruiting stuff and all this circus is outside his world now because he is locked and loaded for bear.  Both teams and all their players and staff are.  Expect thousands at this game folks.

There is a piece of advice I would give to Duck Fans and Coaches and just people in general.  And back to our engagement-wedding theme above this comes from the courtship and engagement my wife and I had so many years ago. It worked for us and it will work for anyone.

“If you love something set it free.

If it comes back it’s yours.

If not, it was never meant to be”.

 

Good Luck to Thomas and all the Boys of Friday Night

 

 

 

About the Author

Dirk is a lifelong resident of the Pacific NW; athlete and Merit scholar. He runs camps, clinics, and has been a sports writer and analyst for nearly a decade now; mostly with Rivals.com as the editor of OregonPreps and WashingtonPreps.com. Dirk is the founder of NWPR & BrainChampions.org; a charity for injured athletes suffering from Brain Trauma / Concussion. He is a father of three and married.

“Illegal-Procedure” Offers A Reality Check About What Is Happening

April 12, 2012 in Codes, Ethics, Recruiting Services, Rules by Football NW

This is the sort of thing we need.  Truth.  Frankness.  An Insider Look at what is really happening to College F

ootball.  From High School to Collegiate and NFL recruiting Author Josh Luchs lays out all the dirt and reality as he lived it.  The former Sports Agent really has the pulse of this labyrinth of darkness as it exists today.

 In the book “Illegal Procedure” Josh talks about the dirty business of college football. Luchs talks about how sports agents make their biggest financial gain. Luchs touches on the subject of “poaching” clients and how that benefits the agents wallet. Josh reveals while he was an agent how he obtained the Wonderlic tests and how he prepared his college football draft prospects for the tests. Luchs was the sports agent for Ryan Leaf and comments on the recent criminal problems of Ryan Leaf. 

You can listen to a great live interview right
here as Josh Luchs and John Canzano take on the grim details.  This is an interview you should not miss and a book that we will no doubt all want to read.

Interview Is Right Here!

 

7 On 7 Controversy Brews Deeper Concerns

March 12, 2012 in 7 On 7 Football by Football NW

Taylor Barton of Northwest Elite Index, Barton Football Training, and Blue Collar Recruits Leads 7 on 7 Events all over the NW and Beyond. Last years camps were held at College campuses like OSU many times during the off season months but that practice has now been banned by the NCAA except during the months of June -August.

There is a storm that has brewed for a few years now.  And it may be heading for landfall.  The National 7-7 craze has become both a blessing and a curse.  And while families and kids have rushed to get on the action the NCAA and others concerned have moved in.

Essentially the football 7 on 7 leagues or tournaments fall into two categories.  One are events run by High School Football programs during the Summers as a part of conditioning and preparation.

Acclaimed Writer and Reporter Joe Schad at ESPN Covered this topic last Summer in a riveting piece that is a must read:

While college coaches don’t attend the tournaments, over the past year a slew of NCAA investigators have. For years, the NCAA has struggled to keep up with the recruiting and amateurism violations found in AAU basketball.  In an attempt to manage the 7-on-7 scene, the NCAA has assigned seven employees to explore its underpinnings. The concern is an influx of third parties — such as the numerous coaches on Bush’s South Florida Express — could cause players to lose college eligibility if the players receive preferential treatment or extra benefits from them.

Because of that, many high school football coaches are also concerned about just who their players are playing for. The worries also include out-of-state travel with people whose backgrounds may be largely unknown, concerns about athletes being pulled out of class, and anxiety about a lack of knowledge among 7-on-7 coaches about how the players are performing in school. 

Bush’s coach is one of the concerned. 

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ESPN    Rachel Newman Baker, director of Agent, Gambling and Amateurism Activities for the NCAA, said that there is concern about third-parties who don’t have athletes’ best interests at heart. 

“I think anybody that runs a 7-on-7 team that tells you they’re doing it for the exposure of kids is trying to pull one on you to be honest,” said Columbus High School coach Chris Merritt. “They’re doing it to make a buck.

“The people that are running 7-on-7, you can also call them street agents, let’s call it for what it is. The college coaches will be the first to tell you they would love to cut those guys out of the picture. The thing is, they’re forced to deal with these guys, because if they don’t, their competitor is.” 

While a small number of high school head coaches are involved in 7-on-7, most of the coaches on the all-star 7-on-7 circuit are high school assistants, local businessmen, athletic trainers and recruiting or scouting service operators or employees. Teams are funded through players’ families, fund-raisers and corporate or private sponsorships. 

What also upsets Merritt and others is that some 7-on-7 coaches, or “non-scholastic coaches” as the NCAA labels them, are injecting themselves into the recruiting process.

The REST of the Story is Here and is a Fantastic Read!

The other are events and tournaments run by others.  Many of those others are Street Agents or Influence peddlers who are governed by no one and who often use such events as a way to get the athlete and their family sucked in to camps and clinics and to paid recruiting services.

These same people rarely have background checks and or proper insurance.  They also are not governed by any ethical boundaries at all.  And in that environment, which can turn into a cesspool of the wrong kind of people,  the kids can be at risk in more ways than one.

Ask yourself if your kid is involved in one of these events if you really understand who is running it, what their goals and aims are, and if your athlete is protected.  This topic is a growing concern and you can bet if your kid is at an event he is probably being watched by more than just a few casual observers.  The NCAA and many others are watching too.

If you have a concern or a complaint about a 7 on 7 event you, your athlete, or a friend or family has gone to please contact us in confidence at  footballnorthwestinfo@gmail.com and we will help.

The Street Agent Defined: Biggest Threat To High School Football There Is

March 6, 2012 in Ethics, Recruiting Services by Football NW

The "Street Agent" often appears as a good guy or friend but usually behind closed doors is negotiating fees and trying to manipulate the outcome of a Prospective Student Athletes decision in regards to college choice. This practice of offering fees to these people needs to be banned 100% by the NCAA and State High School Associations.

 

One of the biggest challenges going on in college recruiting is the emergence of what are called Street Agents.   Often times this person is a private coach, trainer,  or a so called longtime friend of the family.  That person takes on an advisory/father figure type role in helping to decide where the Prospective Student Athlete (PSA) is going to go to college.  They often end up lining their pockets with fees and money paid by the Colleges, the Family, or Both.   Some call these guys “Chicken-Hawks” or “Scum of the Earth” but they are commonly known as “Street Agents”.

Here is a portion of the story printed here:  http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/07/oregon-will-lyles-ncaa-investigation-yahoo-sports/1  about Street Agent Will Lyles.

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Will Lyles, who is at the center of the NCAA investigation of Oregon’s football program, said in an interview to Yahoo! Sports that he was paid by the school for more than scouting reports.

 Oregon has admitted paying Lyles $25,000 in connection with his company Complete Scouting Services.

Documents released by the school last month show it received outdated recruiting information from Lyles, who said Oregon coach Chip Kelly said “scrambled” in late February and asked Lyles to submit retroactive player profiles to justify payment.

“They said they just needed anything,” Lyles told Yahoo! Sports. “They asked for last-minute [stuff]. So I gave them last-minute [stuff] … I gave them, like, old stuff that I still had on my computer because I never thought that stuff would see the light of day.”

Lyles said he spoke to the NCAA for six hours in May.

“I look back at it now and they paid for what they saw as my access and influence with recruits,” Lyles told Yahoo! Sports. “The service I provided went beyond what a scouting service should … I made a mistake and I’m big enough of a man to admit I was wrong.”

About a month before Oregon’s payment to Lyles, running back Lache Seastrunk signed with the Ducks. Lyles has been described as having a mentoring relationship with Seastrunk. Lyles also attended an awards banquet last December as a guest of Oregon running back and Heisman Trophy candidate LaMichael James.

Lyles spoke in detail to Yahoo! Sports about working with Oregon to have Seastrunk’s grandmother sign his letter of intent because his mother did not want him to attend school there.

Lyles also said he advised James to transfer to an Arkansas high school as a senior so that he would avoid taking a standardized test required to graduate in Texas.

 

(Much more at the link above)

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Football Northwest is going to find these people and list them for our members.

While we are 100% opposed to these people in general there are some Recruiting Services that do not offer a “cash for offers” approach and who charge such a low fee that almost anyone could afford them.

In any case we will seek to get all of them to sign standard ethical agreements and commit to publishing their rates as well as filing an annual Agency business license in the State of Oregon and or Washington.  Someone has to provide oversight.  And it has to start very very soon.